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Web standards, Accessibility, and Usuablity

danw danw
April 29, 2005

I've been rifling through the 'Ministry of Links' and have had a look and some good NZ sites and portfolios.

Lots of excellent design.
Lots of very cool Flash.

This is all good, but do many people here consider designing for web standards, accessibility, and usuablity?

I mean, good design and web standards are not mutually exclusive.

What do you all think?

 
Nic Nic
April 29, 2005

I dont usually validate until after the site is live, and then fix anything that doesnt fit the bill. However as i've been validating for a while now I am familiar with the things I used to do that would stop it from validating (such as not putting alt values in images), and anything that I code which doesnt validate is usually an over sight, or from a piece of code I have not used before.

Also, I have no idea how to use tables. The only time I have ever used them was when I first started making sites and was using wysiwyg editors. But as soon as I started hand coding everything I started using layers and css (which was a few years ago now).

Personally, I think the only reason for not having valid code is if you have no idea about web standards, or if you are using something that will not validate no matter what you do to it (not aware of anything that this is the case for, but no doubt theres something).

 
Zef Zef
May 2, 2005

For more on designing for web standards I recommend you visit http://www.webstandardsawards.com and my article on e-Govt website design

 
redesignboy redesignboy
May 18, 2005

This is an important topic I am surprised at the lack of posts. I am from the old school when we didn't follow standards because the browsers we designed for did not. The transition to valid HTML is undoubtedly a good idea and we are moving in that direction. This guy was a big inspiration www.simplebits.com . But I have to stress that things won't change unless the market demands it - but when companies like www.cactuslab.com and others start using standards as a point of difference, peer pressure should come into effect.

 
James McG James McG
May 24, 2005

I remember that there was a thread on this topic some time ago, so the lack of posts may be more to do with exhaustion of the topic, rather than general indifference. It was one of my first discussions on this forum, in fact - mainly because, more than wanting to push any personal agenda, I was curious to see to what extent others were applying standards.

In my own business, all of our work is standards-based. One visitor to our site became confused, because some of our work was not standards compliant. They then gave me some stick for even mentioning standards. But the issue is more complex to me than to use them or not. Often, the brief we're given as designers will look for an answer beyond what is acceptable (in terms of standards), but which is still the most appropriate answer. There is a grey area in this issue where a certain amount of common sense needs to be applied.

Redesignboy makes a good point in saying that peer pressure will go a long way to shifting our industry into more sensible practices, but in the end I believe it is the market that decides, and therefore the market that needs education. To use a software analogy (because what are websites other than software?) Microsoft provides a good example of the way that standards, and superior technical performance, are not always indicators for widespread success. The market was swayed by non-technical reasons to buy into one product to such a degree that it became the proxy standard, to the detriment of quality and competition.

Anyway, there's a lot of literature on this topic, particularly online. For CSS inspiration, I enjoy www.csszengarden.com (for which there is an excelllent companion book.) Hand-code! Don't let a machine do your thinking for you (except for the donkey-work ;-) Writing XHTML and CSS is a creative art more powerful than Macromedia/Adobe will ever let you believe!

 
 

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