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absorb absorb
May 25, 2005

You've seen it a million times before at the footer of websites, "Website designed by XXX Design Company".

What does everyone think of them?

Do you ask your clients first or do you just put them there because everyone else does?

Is it something that you negotiate and include in a contract?

Have you ever had to remove any after client complaints?

They are a pet hate for me and have never used them, even though the inbound links would be great for SEO.

 
James James
May 26, 2005

I always tack-on the company logo when I build a site. I tend to do it discretely (very small, "grey", bottom of the page etc) No complaints or comments from clients, I think they see it as part and parcel or a site.

If it's in your template it's easy to remove/edit and it's on every-page, which is nice when it comes to Google :)

 
Barry Barry
May 26, 2005

I have to say, I'm not a fan. But it makes Matt and Karl's work real easy to spot :)

 
ross ross
May 26, 2005

We used to do it back in the Analog days, mainly for business, and also because of reciprocal linking back to our site for Google page rank.

This meant we eventually refined the linking to "Web Design by Analog Media" in order to encapsulate the keywords in the link text. Hamish wrote this into a template, and we hosted most of our clients so it was a piece of piss to update the link amongs all our clients.

But sure, it doesn't feel as "right" as not doing it ;)

 
frakture frakture
May 30, 2005

Design by.. probaly the best way to advertise your work. I've had clients complaign in the past, but i do have a selection of variant "Designed by/Site by" watermarks to choose from :p

 
James McG James McG
May 30, 2005

To be honest, I don't know what the big deal is - clients hardly even notice it, and when they do, they kind of take it as a given. Discretion should be used, sure, but what exactly is the down side?

 
Pete Pete
May 30, 2005

It totally depends on the client I think.
Sites under the e-govt guidelines aren't allowed to credit their makers, some design companies might not want to associated with the client in a public way or their client may see a link to an external site as diluting their brand.

 
Romain Romain
May 30, 2005

Exaclty.
Authors sign their work, painters sign their work, why shouldn't we sign our work ? Where's the unethical behaviour in that ?

People don't seem to mind wearing a Nike or Huffer T-shirt, why would it be a problem for a company to wear an "company name here" website ?

 
newy newy
May 30, 2005

not sure I agree with you romain - nike and huffer t's don't have a byline saying designed by so and so under the logo!? not quite sure if this is the same thing... and ... there is perhaps a slight difference between authors and painters signing work!?
- graphic designers don't seem to add 'authorship' to every printed publication- does any designer really need to sign their work?

 
mata mata
May 30, 2005

Hey Romain, in some cases you may be right, but in most I'd say not. A client website is not an artistic creation of a single person - I often do not put a link or credit to any sites I have made as they are quite often handed over to the client - and the results are sometimes not what I would like to be known for. Content managed sites are probably safe in terms of design credibility etc. But each to their own really.

Has anybody ever got a phone call, "Hi, I saw your link on site 'x' and would really like you to design my site?" ???????

 
ross ross
May 30, 2005

Newy - Actually print design and collatoral will often include design credits. You just need to know where to look ;)

Pete - Never come across any rules on the e-gov guidelines restricting acknowledgements. Care to point me in right direction?

 
Pete Pete
May 30, 2005

Sure thing Ross.
There's one reference under the useful heading commenting - there is another somewhere, but I can't seem to find it right now.

 
newy newy
May 30, 2005

Thanks ross - my point was more about the t-shirts! ... and I said \"...g. desingers don\'t seem to add \'authorship\' to every printed publication...\" as in okay there are often credits but not as prolific as say art - but, I like your comment; \"just need to know where to look\" - wouldn\'t that suggest credits on websites are a bit in your face compared to those in \'print design and collatoral\' !?

 
catchcam catchcam
June 1, 2005

We always tell our clients we're gonna put it on there, and it's in the mockups from day one. To date we've had no negative feedback i know of...

I kinda see it as a mark of 'goodness' and that as a designer you're proud of the work you do, so you'll put your name to it.

 
che che
June 2, 2005

I'm not sure about the whole "print design and collatoral will often include design credits". I think it really depends on the type of print material you're talking about. CDs? (Often) Handbills and posters? (Sometimes) Annual reports? (Unlikely) Beer bottle labels? (Nup)

Similarly, there are sites that you expect to see "designed by" on, and sites you don't. In my experience, the more the client pays, and the more the client values their brand, the less likely you are to see the designer giving themselves keyword-rich props in the footer!

When people wear Nike or Huffer tees, they are (a) hoping some of that cool huffy nike-ness will rub off on them, or (b) sad people who paid a company for the right to promote its brand. Either is kinda wierd, kinda sad. (Disclaimer: I wear the Huff)

So the question is: when someone gets my company's name thrown on the footer of their site, are they (a), or (b)?

 
newy newy
June 4, 2005

Good point che about the a) or b) options!! - next tho, what do you mean by the sites "that you expect to see "designed by" on" ...? I agree with the the idea re: the more a cleint values their brand the less likely you are to see "designed by" but does that mean if a cleint pays less these sites will be more likely to have design credits etc...

 
newy newy
June 5, 2005

my bad (sp) cleint = client!

 
 

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